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Professor : You are a Christian, aren't you, son ?

Student : Yes, sir.

Professor: So, you believe in GOD ?

Student : Absolutely, sir.

Professor : Is GOD good ?

Student : Sure.

Professor: Is GOD all powerful ?

Student : Yes.

Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn't. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?

(Student was silent.)

Professor: You can't answer, can you ? Let's start again, young fella. Is GOD good?

Student : Yes.

Professor: Is satan good ?

Student : No.

Professor: Where does satan come from ?

Student : From … GOD …

Professor: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

Student : Yes.

Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn't it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?

Student : Yes.

Professor: So who created evil ?

(Student did not answer.)

Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?

Student : Yes, sir.

Professor: So, who created them ?

(Student had no answer.)

Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD?

Student : No, sir.

Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your GOD?

Student : No , sir.

Professor: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted your GOD, smelt your GOD? Have you ever had any sensory perception of GOD for that matter?

Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.

Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?

Student : Yes.

Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?

Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.

Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem Science has.

Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Professor: Yes.

Student : And is there such a thing as cold?

Professor: Yes.

Student : No, sir. There isn't.

(The lecture theater became very quiet with this turn of events.)

Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

(There was pin-drop silence in the lecture theater.)

Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?

Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?

Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it is, well you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?

Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man ?

Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain how?

Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing the concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.

Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going.)

Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

(The class was in uproar.)

Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain?

(The class broke out into laughter. )

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

(The room was silent. The Professor stared at the student, his face unfathomable.)

Professor: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

Student : That is it sir … Exactly ! The link between man & GOD is FAITH. That is all that keeps things alive and moving.

P.S.

I believe you have enjoyed the conversation. And if so, you'll probably want your friends / colleagues to enjoy the same, won't you?

Forward this to increase their knowledge … or FAITH.

By the way, that student was EINSTEIN.

EDIT: Hey guys, glad you like this. I found it from a fellow deviant! :) Enjoy!
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:iconayrialakira:
are you a christian? --i don't want to get all religiously (u know what i mean?) but i have heard god(not speaking crazy) i feel he is the voice in your head telling you what is right and what is wrong-it's just a feeling like you want to do something -a push like(i can do that) and god created the devil too powerful-everything happens for a reason-their is a chain of events that starts in place when even a single person is born or something happens you can't explain and people get hurt--(im sorry im talking all religious like) lol- sometimes when i read something like this it makes me want to speak out-like this---
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:iconblissbaby13:
Hey there, no I'm not a Christian - I don't really feel like I fit into any 'religion', I think categorising yourself is meaningless ultimately. And no need to apologise for talking religiously, I know what you mean. :)
I totally agree wth what you say about the way the Creator communicates with us; when I want an answer to a question, I go into my garden and sit quietly and wait for an answer. And if you're open to receive the answer and you're ready for it, you'll get one. It will answer you in whatever way you open yourself to - maybe the wind in the trees, a dog barking, etc. People usually say this is only your mind, but God is also within us, so where else can we look for answers?
Like what you said with the chains of events, too, these are great to follow for you to understand your duties and meaning in this life. God can also speak through this, but it's still important to remember that God is never 'outside' us.

I guess you could look at the power of the Creator's consciousness and the Satanic consciousness (which are really one essentially, just two sides of the same coin) as a pair of scales, with Satan being very powerful and very prevalent right now. It's not a case of morality, really - just because suffering exists, God isn't 'evil.' Satan is like cancer spreading through a bodily tissue. The cancer is only doing what it feels is natural, and the cells trying to cure the cancer are also doing what they feel is correct too. In this day and age, Satan may emerge as an oppressive government pushing drugs upon its people, or poverty, or the greed, lust and wealth of some blissfully unaware human beings. On a smaller scale ("as above, so below") it could be a virus, like the common cold. But, essentially, Satan is no person, gender or action - it is just a consciousness that is doing what it thinks it was built for. The same with the Creator. In a sense, maybe it's all nature and biology, but if you see it clearly this doesn't take away the magic. (Sorry, once I get going it becomes hard to stop haha ^^)
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:iconayrialakira:
Lol-yeah :D thanks for replying back-i feared i preached you to death that you would get off my watch lol XD
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~MeryHeartless Aug 7, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I am agnostic and when i think about it from my point of view, there's still some mistakes in this conversation.

Depending on this conversation, there is no such thing as BAD!!!! only the absence of good! and yes!!! that's what we call BAD!
The absence of GOOD = BAD
but the same thing goes for the BAD.
The absence of BAD = GOOD
You can make light, lighter by the absence of dark, AND you can also make dark, darker by the absence of light! So we can say that there's no light?!!! just the absence of dark! right??
Same thing goes for the heat and cold.
i know that you can measure heat but you can't measure cold! but all we can realize from that conversation, is that science is not complete and perfect for describing things. depending on science, even emotions don't exist! but that doesn't prove that God exists!!!

The brain of professor, is touchable! you can even smell it or eat it! (i'm sorry it's disgusting but i had to say it because it's possible!!) We just don't do it because it's against humanity! but it's possible! about god, it's not possible to touch him, no matter what you do! you can see a brain, but you can't see god! NO MATTER WHAT!
So they're not comparable!

Evolution is a process!!! God is not a process!
A process is something that we see in time. it's like you say: I had an exam yesterday but i can't see my results yet so there is no such thing as grades or results!!! WRONG!
you can see your result, but you have to wait. we can see the result of evolution, but we have to wait!
About god, no matter how much you wait, you will never ever see him or anything that proves god exists!
so they are not comparable either!

Non of these proves that god exists, it just shows how imperfect the science is! that's all!
I know he's not trying to prove that god exists, he's just trying to fight with what professor says, but it's a wrong evaluation!
But yes! we can still have FAITH, that god exists!!!!!!
(In this conversation) If you can have faith in something that there's no sign of it!
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:iconblissbaby13:
I know what you mean, but the idea of 'good' and 'bad' is a mental construct that our parents were taught by their parents and that our parents taught us when we came into the world - basically, action and consequence. And everybody has their own ideas of 'good' and 'bad', which differ because we have had different upbringings/experiences. (eg - a harlot and a nun will have different ideas of good and bad.) And then there are acts, like you said (such as eating or smelling the Professor's brain) that are considered 'evil' and against humanity (which is different to the petty mental construct, and adheres to the fact that humanity will only destroy itself if it destroys other lifeforms.)

About the absence of dark, though... you cannot change the amount of darkness or the intensity of that darkness. You can only change the amount of light, which will subsequently affect the darkness intensity. You can never change it directly. Darkness fills the spaces where light is not. Fire exudes light, but nothing can exude darkness.

I see what you mean when you talk about evolution, though (I'm not a Christian like Einstein, I don't have a 'religion'.) And I agree about how he is fighting against the science rather than reinforcing his knowledge of God. But if you think of God/Spirit and the idea of consciousness as being one, rather than it being a bearded man sat on a cloud, then you could see that this consciousness may develop like how a cell splitting.
I'm just trying to fill in with what I know, but I think that the Spirit would first have to establish it's simplest form, like a cell splitting in two. Then if we imagine it splitting and splitting again, and as it splits it densifies, it begins to form simple particles and matter. Then it refines and refines until we reach the present day - then you have the idea of God being within it's creations and living through them, empowering everything, rather than watching stoically from afar as a beardy guy with a staff. It reminds me of when Jesus said 'The kingdom of God is within us.' Maybe that's what he meant, I don't know.
Because, as lifeforms, we are always evolving? And consciousness (God/Spirit) would also always be refining and growing? Then we have a way to include Spirit with time, and it also fits with science and religion easily.
Furthermore, the only way to find Spirit is to look within. Because consciousness is already within us, in the same way that our parents genes reside in us. We shouldn't need blind faith, because that which has created us is also WITHIN us. Otherwise it's like saying that the fabric from which we are made is different to our own, which doesn't make sense. It's like saying that our skin cells aren't made of the same particles as the skin on our arm. Then you'll find that everything will fit inside something else, like russian dolls. Only, for infinity.
If we then go back to what you said about the Professor's brain and how eating it would go against humanity, if we understand that God is within us, then aren't we all the same and equal? Not only that, but aren't we basically all a part of each other? Furthermore, harming somebody else would only harm us in the long run.

And as for finding proof of God - you can't accept anybody else's proof, because that is not real proof of God. Look at creation as a shattered mirror with different shards, and you and I are seperate shards. Each shard will have a different shape, and so what is applicable to one may not be applicable to another. But we are all made of the same stuff, so we can take advice from others and see how it fits our shard of mirror. And if it doesn't, we drop it and move on.
For instance, have you ever had a really accurate gut instinct? Have you ever walked into a room and found that, for no apparent reason, you find certain people may give off good or bad vibes? Maybe you'll find yourselves suspicious of somebody being ill-intending, and then get proved right. Maybe you put your ipod on shuffle and find that all the songs relate to something in your life, perfectly. There are so many little breadcrumbs left for us, but we so often shrug them off as coincidence that we can never find the thread which will unravel the taprestry. This is how we can find our inner power, and tap into the piece of God living in us.
Just an idea. :)
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~MeryHeartless Aug 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I actually agree with all of this. about the energy and everything inside us! that's what i always tell others!
but all i was saying was that the evaluations in that conversation was wrong! what you call "piece of god living in us" or "god living within us" i just simply call it the energy of my soul and spirit!
I don't agree with the definition of BAD and GOOD either!! I think that's just a name that people gave to some ...things! it doesn't prove bad things are necessarily bad, just because they say so! but there's a difference between bad and good so about bad things, let's just say "Against Humanity" or better than that "Imperfect".
I don't see any sign of god. because the god that people talk about is PERFECT but there's still a lot of imperfect things in this life, like crimes, like violence, like ATHEISM! God invented it and let it happen!!!
So in brief, i believe in energy, i believe in myself and most of the things that you said. i just don't believe in people's god! that's all!
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